History for the previous 22 years I have been persistently dedicated to my genuine appetite scheming the definitive lifestyle founded on the utmost influential philosophies of mysticism health sensibility and personal development the lifestylist podcast is a show dedicated to sharing my discoveries and the experts behind them with you it's great to be finally sitting with you man yeah thanks for having me i've made a list almost six and a half almost seven years ago of all the people i wanted to interview and you were on that list it's a long list yeah all right it took me a while well you know you have degrees of separation from people i it's i don't know it's a bit vulnerable to just cold call someone on their website and i know you know neil strauss who's a good friend of mine,
And he's been on the show a couple of times so neil was i think my first guest on my oh really 500 episodes i probably heard that one tangent tangentially straightened and essentially genetically speaking a lot of people say tangentially speaking sorry with me as long as they can find it on google yeah so i thought oh one of these days i'll text neil and do an intro or something but then you know life happens and there's other people but you're on that freaking list i probably have it in my Evernote so super stoked to sit down and chat with you um huge fan of both your books thank you i mean i've been talking about this concept of domestication for a long time and i think your book civilized to death just like sums up the whole thing so beautifully,
So i definitely want to touch on that but uh before we do what's the most exciting thing going on in your life right now i understand you're kind of nomadic what are you up to just cruising around the world uh trying to decide what to do with uh the rest of my life you know what am i gonna do when i grow up uh yeah i i think i mentioned before we went on here that uh from this weekend we're heading off i've got a van i don't know if you know i've got a big sprinter van yeah i like on your site how you have all your favorite things from road tripping that was pretty cool yeah very handy for people oh for the the what makes this thing great yeah yeah that's a takeoff of uh rick uh beatto has a series on youtube called what makes this song great,
I love that guy do you know him oh yeah i i binge his videos like mania it's just you never listen to a song the same way again yeah and anyway he's been on the podcast he's sort of a buddy although we've never met in person but he's been on twice and uh yeah so i asked him if it was cool if we did a thing because people are always writing saying so what do you use you know what's in your van what do you use for camping what's your favorite tent what's your favorite so we just put up a thing uh on the website um but anyway yeah we uh we're cruising around uh scarlett jovansen is parked outside a hotel oh you have it here yeah we are here we picked her up in lawn,
And uh drove her out and uh so after this is over we're heading into the desert in utah we're gonna be out there for i don't know a few weeks you know just sort of see how it goes and then the plan is go to thailand uh we were in thailand a couple years ago when cove had hit and sort of got interrupted um and so we're going to go back to thailand i've got a buddy an old friend of mine who lives on an island down there so we're going to go chill with him for a while and then maybe nepal i've been wanting to go back to nepal since uh i was a youngster,
I went there uh got 87 maybe something like that and uh i cut my foot it was a weird thing i was in kathmandu one of the first nights i went up on the roof of this guesthouse to watch the sunset and i stepped on some something sharp and really cut deep into my foot so deep that uh i was told to go trekking would be really stupid because you get you know a week back into the mountains and your foot's infected because you're walking all day and and there's nothing no medical care so i didn't go trekking uh i just hung out in pokhara and mostly pokhara for six weeks or so and so at the time the way i dealt with the tragedy tragedy was uh this means i have to come back yeah,
You know and now here it is whatever 30 years later and so maybe we'll go do some trekking in nepal and then we're thinking maybe turkey and spain i've lived in spain for 20 years it's time to get back there wow so we're sort of doing around the world thing so cool with the caveat that happens and all you know yeah everything could fall through i mean traveling in the way that you describe you know has its spontaneity but especially now in the world i mean i i'm so hard to play i'm ready to travel anywhere it's i i feel like i might leave the united states and not be able to get back in or you know who knows what could happen my my little brother's uh he likes to go live in columbia six months at a time and you know he's like you'll text me what's in the news,
Can i get back i'm like i think you're still american you should be good but yeah what do you think it is within you that um gives you this wanderlust you know there are many people as i'm sure you've discovered as you travel that are born in a town and they live there their whole life and rarely leave and then there are people like you that just have this need or desire to go experience different cultures and different ways of life what do you think is at the core of that curiosity well i think it's two things i think there's an attraction uh that i'm moving toward which is um you know the change of perspective that gives you new insights into things even familiar things like oneself right in one's culture joseph campbell wrote about detribalization the realization that you're part of a tribe and that tribe has certain almost arbitrary belief systems.
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