Guys starting now another may news lunch I'm Miriam Clark and the atmosphere is very tense there on the border between Russia and Ukraine and President Jair bolsonaro travels today Monday the Fourteenth of February he he is going there to Moscow he will meet with president Vladimir Putin then he will go to Hungary where he will be my unite with the prime minister Viktor orban and who will comment on this trip with us is Professor Cláudio the political scientist from FGV and we are also going to talk about the special secretary for culture, Mário Frias, the one who was involved in that trip to New York, absurd expenses and such,
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If you can down here become a member of the marne you have access to more than special contents let's call it vignette from the south And then Professor Cláudio Couto professor at FGV political scientist welcome to the lunch at the sea News Thank you Miriam nice to be here with you again Cláudio this is the first visit of the president to these two countries, which are governed by authoritarian politicians, criticized by both the United States and Europe and the gen is trying to understand you like this because the president went precisely to the center of this diplomatic crisis what he wants with this trip Cláudio I think that first we will remember and bolsonaro is an isolated ruler today in the world,
People saw that G20 meeting that he didn't even have much to talk to, he stayed away from the other leaders after he refused, then it's a meeting, right, you can do it here in Scotland about the climate It's because there wasn't much to say there, it's even worse, right After when it was the minister of the environment, he ended up omitting data that were revealed soon after, of course, negative data for Brazil from the climate point of view, anyway, if the people from the World Cup knew about this, we would be in a different situation, the conversation would have been different but the role of President isolated and he has a few interlocutors,
Right There's a potent one he even praised his masculinity some time ago he made that kind of praise bolsonaro He seems to have I liked this a lot and there is Victor Urbana Hungria who is an authoritarian populist leadership here produced in Hungary a closure of the regime created what he himself called illiberal democracy which is actually a non-democracy wanting to be with the other powers and without opposition being the press it closes universities this is how things work today in Hungary and this is the important model and bolsonaro had not gone to Hungary even more his son Eduardo bolsonaro had already visited Hungary Painting to finally see how it works trying to copy the model a garou here to Brazil and the pudding is another one when exchanging, right,
It's from outside the European Union Unlike Hungary What By the way, it's not complicated because on the one hand, the stand of the European Standard, Hungary undergoes a little more depression But on the other hand it's the case of an authoritarian regime in a context that requires Democracy to participate European will have to face this problem a guru At some point However, in the case of Russia, there is no conversation there, we are really talking about an autocracy, right, a dictatorship to use an expression More familiar to everyone,
And it is a meeting that we will see, counting in favor of Bolsonaro, it had been scheduled since August of last year is not a novelty in that he resolved now when he saw the problem appear he would go to Russia but it seems to me that he will have a complicated schedule because I imagine that the Brazil is one of the things that bolsonaro points out as justification for this visit will be in the conflict he has there on the borders with which he crania and even more right and end up with life that ends up having a Global reach has confrontation with the United States has confrontation with European countries, it is difficult to imagine that a visit like this, in addition to yielding photographs,
And a certain endorsement of the bolsonaro to the pudding regime as in his initiatives that it will yield such significant results that they required this visit now that it could not be left for another moment. Well, you talked about the commercial partnership, right This is the government's justification that they have this issue of buying Russian fertilizers that that Russia would be an important trading partner of Brazil but it is clear that the pudding will use these photos, right? that all excess hides a lack right Cláudia then not Faith Each one reads it now the president of the United States your bardem says that the pudding is really going to invade Ukraine do you think this is the new cold war or there is a way to actually explode a war over there,
I think it's difficult we have a hot war, right Because of the risk it generates A Gene American troops troops from other euro countries people other than Russia entering this conflict and it would be something very complicated, right, we would open space for an immense confrontation we are talking about nuclear powers It is good to remember that so I don't think anyone here is interested in its scale for a military now the pudding already I'm from Crimea for a while, demonstrating that it wants to keep Ukraine in what we could call a Russian sphere of influence. Cream was part of the former Soviet Union when some amateurs were merged in they were a country,
It's just good to remember that old acquaintance the Chernobyl accident narr which was in the Soviet is an accident in Ukraine is just to show us how these things are together and then with the end of the Soviet Empire AND the separation of several of these Baltic republics then the removal of several of the countries from eastern europe of the russian sphere of influence russia has been losing power in the region but it wants to regain that power keep me power that it still has and for it NATO integrating Ukraine into its its its to the set of members that are part of it would be a huge problem because the train is a military organization and even at the time of the cold war to face the former Union The Soviet Union,
And Putin himself warned these days in a very rough World Cup, right? its Border is a bit like this, it seems to me that he is pushing to at least prevent this entry of Ukraine into nato from happening and we even showed the map there and we see there under the map the region of Crimea which is a Region strategic also because it is the agent and then the map down there in the red at the bottom we can see Crimea this whole region is very interesting for Russia Because it gives access to the Sea is also not a teacher of science only one and there is a very large Russian community, right? I think this is one of the important factors there at the time.
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