You know i always think of that state farm commercial like your good neighbor state farmers there it's like you know can we just have a good neighbor can we go back to the good neighbor you know totally uh so yeah i think there are ways you know buy food from your local farmer right get to know your local farmer get buy your food there have a garden you know like have some chickens i mean there are lots of ways and so often as often happens crisis creates opportunity right,
So young people now are the first generation of americans who are looking at life and saying i'm not going to have it's not going to be better than my parents right i'm not going to have especially the kids in the crypto they're like i already make more than my parents i'm 10. you know well on on paper yeah sell it and then get back to me yeah but uh as far as you know getting a job at the down at the factory and raising a family like people were doing in the 50s you know one income per household and you could pay a mortgage and send your kids to college that's gone you know and so i think there are opportunities to uh cut back on the material stuff because we can't afford it,
But the benefit is you find you never really need it in the first place what you really need is love and friends and pleasure and time um i know we've been going for a while here and we could probably open up another two hour podcast on this but i i have to ask how do you see uh the intentional use of psychedelics fitting in this kind of new way forward for us we go back to many hunter-gatherer people they're using antigens right in africa and south america and north america different places part of that communal glue seemed to be around ceremony and oftentimes included you know the shaman the medicine man or woman and going in oneself and getting a wider perspective on life,
And ourselves and the cosmos and god and i every time i journey during it and after i think this is the way like this is what we need and of course you know you get enthusiastic and then you come out of it and integrate and you're like all right i'm not going to go proselytize and maybe it's not for everyone but i really feel that and we're here at meet delic that there are some master keys to the lock of our uh displacement you know that there there is some way moving forward of cohesion between people who are awakening to their their true selves and their connection to spirit and i know that i've become a much better person and much more capable of intimacy and altruism and all the things that make you a fulfilled good person for all intensive purposes from just being able to kind of um discard the shackles,
That keep us stuck in the intellect and the ego and all these things that that ultimately limit us and it seems there are a lot of people waking up i mean i kind of love the trend of psychedelics i'm sure we're going to be sloppy about it as it uh comes to the forefront it becomes more accessible it's you know it's a double-edged sword in some ways but to me this is kind of the great hope that people are going to become increasingly curious and legality around this stuff is going to loosen up and it seems like this juggernaut of consciousness that might be the way forward what are your thoughts on that oh that's a hard one you know i went through that period,
When i was very young and and my first few years using psychedelics feeling like yeah this is the way to solve the world's problems and everyone should should try them um but i came to a different kind of relationship with them over time and this is something i'll be talking about tomorrow here at this event um and i feel like what i'm afraid of is that the subversive potential of psychedelics will be drained away and they'll be corporatized and monetized and turned into just another commodity um and that's what we americans do best you know cut down the forest and turn it into wood products and i worry about that um so i you know the jury's out we'll see what happens,
But i don't think that there's anything inherent in psychedelics that will make a bad person good i think that they're very powerful in amplifying what's already there um but i don't think hitler would have you know taken some ayahuasca and said my god what have i done well see this is my fantasy of taking like five meow dmt smoke and just you know carpet bombing dc you know where this utopia is going to emerge you know yeah it's a gross exaggeration but like lsd in the reservoir but you raise a good point you know because i have i have known a few uh facilitators in shaman for example that uh upon first meeting them and in some cases even experiencing ceremony with them,
I think oh they've got it they get it they're good they're solid and then later on you know seeing some pretty big holes in their character kind of a lack of moral fortitude i guess you could say your integrity and that's kind of brought me to understand well psychedelics aren't necessarily going to fundamentally change one's character if you don't already have some kind of blueprint or system or some laws or principles that you've developed into your um into your own integrity as a person right so that you you kind of have a moral compass and you have solid values and however imperfectly you're following those and add some psychedelics to that and you get more of that as you said right but it's not necessarily going to turn someone with a dark side or multiple personalities,
God knows what else into an altruistic kind right being especially without as you said ritual around it you know the the societies you mentioned the hunter-gatherer societies all over the world in africa and the amazon in mexico that they have they do use these substances but with great respect with ritual with you know cleansing you i'm sure you've experienced the the dietary restrictions for a while and and you know ways that are designed to bring a focus to your intention how what are you going to do what do you want to learn what i mean there's a lot around this the psychedelic is almost not even if you did all the ritual and didn't end up taking the drug you'd probably still have an amazing experience right just because you've taken this time,
You Have gone and like the uh things the zapotec in in in mexico who trek to the desert where the peyote is and on the track the five or six nights they all camp together and while they're sitting around the fire they take turns opening their hearts and saying what mistakes they've made in the last year.
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